October 15, 2006

Flame: My birthday present to me

A fellow named "Larry Bodine", who is apparently on the advisory board of "Law Technology News" (e.g., he's a technology advisor) and is also a law firm marketing consultant, has written a piece where describes, using no small amount of factual errors, fallacies, and other bad writing techniques, why he doesn't like the Mac.

I wouldn't normally see an article on a law technology site like this, but it's getting linked from some of the Mac meta sites I frequent, and this is how idiotic memes get started.

So, since the date on the article is tomorrow (he wrote it FROM THE FUTURE!) and that's my birthday, I considered this an early birthday present and decided a good old-fashioned flaming was in order. Ah, it's been too long. Shall we?

Larry writes:
I was suckered in by the hype about freedom from viruses, simplicity of computing and versatility. Instead, I bought a boat anchor that can't view Web sites properly, is not compatible with Microsoft Word and can run only dumbed-down versions of regular software.
"Suckered" and "hype" aren't supported here: you don't address the issues of "freedom from viruses," "simplicity," and "versatility." You never state whether you found the "hype" to be true? It doesn't matter if these three claims are true or false (they're true) -- it's mislead to say you were "suckered in by the hype" and then let the reader assume the hype was wrong, when, you don't feel that way. It's like me saying, "I was suckered in by the hype about 'food' being 'necessary for survival,' but instead I got fat when I ate too much of it."

And you say "instead" of getting something virus-free you got something dumb, but what you mean is "in addition" (and even that is a false statement). There's a big difference between "instead" and "in addition." You should know this, Mr. Law Professional: "Instead of giving my client a horse for $2,000, the defendant gave my client the finger" vs. "In addition to giving my client a horse for $2,000, the defendant gave my client the finger." Big difference.

And you really can't run Word? Because I'm running it right now. La la la, look at me typing in it. In fact, I'm pretty sure you yourself can and did run Word, because you talk about your problems with Word in a couple paragraphs.

Viewing web sites "properly" would need to be defined; Safari and its free brethren are certainly more compliant with the majority of web standards than Internet Explorer; I haven't had an incompatibility problem in years. You would need to provide at least a partial list of websites you found troublesome in order to prove this claim. You provide none, only one false claim about it.

"Dumbed-down versions" is subjective and requires you to prove it in future paragraphs, which you fail to do.
This time, I'm buying from Hewlett-Packard Co. or Dell Inc. -- anything that runs on Windows. (I'll assume the risk of flaming batteries.) Goodbye Steve Jobs, hello Bill Gates. I'll be lucky to get half of the $4,552.71 I paid for the Mac on May 21, 2006.
Yah, I'm sure it's a huge surprise to you that computer hardware depreciates, since you're on the board of a technology advising firm. I'm also betting the whole "Apple switching all their machines to Intel machines" caught you totally off-guard, since Steve announced in August of 2005 that he would have all the machines switched by August of 2006. There was NO WAY you could have called that, since it's, like, your job to advise people on technology.

Also, Apple had to recall many of their batteries as well, as Sony provided batteries to both Dell and Apple. Engadget.com. You should look into it.
I realized it was time to unload the silvery box of frustration when I had to buy a "Dummies" book on how to operate it. I'm smart; I shouldn't need this. Aren't Macs supposed to be intuitive and easy to learn? My mistake.
What, exactly, were the problems you had? You don't say. I'm not clear on why buying a book was so maddening to you. It added, what, like $10 to your $4.5K purchase? You're upset because you didn't sit down with an incredibly complicated piece of consumer electronics and understand all of it instantly? I mean, yes, the Mac is easier to use, but there's still a lot of functionality there, and it's very different from Windows. Sit down with a friend or a third-grader you know for an afternoon and figure this stuff out, technology advisor.
With a former PC, I had to have my hard drive wiped clean and formatted -- several times -- after catching nasty viruses. So I was enticed by the thought of being online without fear of viruses. I dreamed of going fearlessly to all the sheet music and game sites that are rife with Trojans, spyware and other dangerous bugs.
...and you again imply this thought was false, but never say state that clearly, because you know it's true.
I was encouraged to make the switch by artists, ad agency employees and junior high school kids, even though I don't really create graphics, listen to iTunes or make movies. They all used Macs and were intractable in their support. They seduced me with siren songs, especially good customer support -- which did turn out to be excellent and was staffed with American speakers working in the United States. I liked the sexy FireWire with its zippy transfer speeds, although I used it only to transfer data to my external hard drive.
"Friends, colleagues, schoolchildren, kittens, mice, even a leftover piece of steak in my fridge: they all encouraged me to switch..." You're finally asserting an actual fact, and it's that Apple's support is great and you're hot for FireWire?
The signs of doom were there on day one, but I ignored them. I pretended that I liked the one button mouse. I quickly started using click + command keys (and other keyboard shortcuts). I really missed the little scrolling wheel in the center of the mouse. I put up with the fact that the HP printer, which I had purchased on the recommendation of an Apple Store, would work about 50 percent of the time with the Mac. I was constantly deleting print jobs and starting them over.
Dude, if you bought a PowerMac G5 in June of 2006 it should have come with the four-button Mighty Mouse (with a two-axis scroll-ball in the middle), which has been shipping PowerMacs since October, 2005. If not, you know, spend the $12 to buy ANY USB MOUSE ON THE MARKET instead of replacing your whole computer. And I can't help but think you should have simply had the printer serviced or replaced by Apple's excellent support staff instead of starting over with a Dell. I think it would have been easier.
I noticed it was slow; I saw that stupid spinning colored wheel a lot. The Mac would hang up; the TV ads said Macs didn't do that. The widgets were cool and snappy, but after a while I stopped using them. They were fun -- for five minutes. I did like the Finder because it was quick in locating files, but it would turn up a lot of false hits. It was comparable to the Google Desktop searcher on my PC.
Ok, you found the Mac slow because sometimes you saw the spinning cursor. I will give you this point. It's the first actual point you've made that you could possibly consider "evidence," halfway through your article.
What drove me nuts was that I would open Word for Mac and couldn't delete files while I was in Word. There is no File | Delete option. So the documents took up space on my hard drive, until someone told me I had to find the document in Finder and then move it into the trash from there. This seemed stupid to me; I just wanted to highlight a file and tap "delete."
You believe the Mac version of Word should have a delete option. Ok, this isn't the "Mac way" but I'll give you this point, too. Two so far.
Word files transferred from the Mac were missing pictures. PowerPoint files transferred from the Mac would lose their formatting. PCs and Macs are not compatible, regardless of what they say.
Some types of pictures don't translate over from Mac to PC versions of Word. Sounds like a problem with your PC version of Word, really, but I'll semi-give you the point, because there is a big button on the Word save sheet labeled "Compatibility Report..." which was put there just to tell you when you've used incompatible features in the Mac version of Word. I can see how that'd be confusing and stuff. Maybe "Compatibility Report..." isn't part of the dummies' curriculum.
The multiple clicking to accomplish simple tasks was a constant annoyance. Things I could do with a PC in two keystrokes took four or five clicks with the Mac. To do a "fast print" required clicking File, Print, find Copies & Pages, click Paper Type/Quality, click Normal and finally clicking Fast Draft. And there was no way to leave the setting as the default. I had to do it manually every time.
Ok, you've listed THREE complaints in a row now with Mac Word, not the Mac. Now, I appreciate that, as a lawyer, you feel it's your duty to spend all your time in Word, but, seriously, have you thought about flaming Microsoft for this? They wrote it, Apple didn't. These are hardly problems endemic to the Mac.
Doing a simple screen capture was an immense chore. On a PC you just press Alt and tap PrtScr. With the Mac I had to download and launch special programs to accomplish this simple task.
Yah, it's an immense chore to hit command-shift-4. Ow, my pinky!
I didn't even bother with the Mac's iCal or Mail, which required me to buy an @mac.com address.
No, no they don't. Both can integrate with .Mac but don't require it; all their functionality is available without .Mac, you just have to arrange the server stuff yourself, just as you do with Windows.
Instead, I went straight to Outlook for Mac.
You went straight to the MICROSOFT alternative, without even trying Apple's really nice Mail client, and decided you didn't like it. Darn, it's like Microsoft isn't really trying to make a good mail client for their competition, isn't it?

You did not even launch two of the best programs that ship free with the Mac, and then you have the temerity to write an article about how much the Mac sucks? Seriously?
A lot of the software for Mac -- such as AOL for Mac OS X -- was dumbed down and missing may features of the current PC versions.
AOL was dumbed-down? How would that work, exactly? I mean, this is like saying you got a dumbed-down version of a George Bush speech. It's strange that you would pay for AOL on the Mac but not .Mac. It seems like, at this point, you're just intentionally avoiding anything with the Apple label, but then blaming Apple for the quality of all these products.
For me the killer was the Web browser. Safari simply cannot read Flash. It is, quite simply, a second-rate browser.
It simply can and does read Flash, and you are, quite simply, a big stupid.
I even called Apple headquarters and asked when a better version would be available and was told that Apple is in no hurry to improve it.
Yes, I am positive that Apple said, "What? Safari? Yaaaawn... you're using that? Heh... we're not really working on that much these days."

Oh, no, wait, Safari has had like eight releases since Internet Explorer was last revved.
On the suggestions of friends, I downloaded Netscape and Firefox, which were no better.
"No better?" That's it, huh? Well, I'm convinced! Although I should mention my friends on the Firefox team have told me they are working to upgrade their next version to "kinda better," with the eventual goal of being "somewhat better."
I scraped along with Internet Explorer 5.0 for Mac, and then discovered in 2006 that Microsoft would no longer support the Mac version. You can't do WSYWIG on Typepad (where many folks create their blogs), which you can on a PC.
Yes, you must have been pretty shocked about this, since it was announced in 2003, and IE has three percent of the market on the Mac. Damn! Those companies keep pulling fast ones on you by announcing stuff years ahead of time and expecting you to, you know, make intelligent decisions.

I do sympathize, though, because I learned in 2003 that Apple was no longer going to manufacture the Apple //e! Well, they'd stopped years ago, but I just learned it then, because I'm a technology advisor who lives in a cave, surrounded by books written for idiots. (Oh, sure, I'd tried the Mac, but it was "no better.")
I run several Web sites, all optimized for IE 5.5 or higher. I couldn't operate my own Web sites with the Mac. That was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Yes, if you insist on running a ten-year-old browser on your Mac instead of any of the five or so alternatives, some web sites may not work. In other news, if you spread rotten shit on a hot dog, it doesn't taste as good.

The phrase "couldn't" here is completely a lie; you "could" operate your websites, you just chose to use a ten-year-old browser instead of Safari, Camino, Firefox, Bumpercar, OmniWeb, or any of the zillion other ones available.

Also, the phrase "the straw that broke the camel's back" means you are finished with something (e.g., his back is broken, you can't ride on), but you said earlier that "the killer" was Safari's (in?)ability to read Flash, so your camel is already dead. Also, apparently your camel is still hobbling, because you go on...
Then the hard drive croaked on me after only three months of owning the machine. I couldn't tell what was going wrong and had to hire someone for $125 an hour to come over and tell me what the heck was happening. Apple replaced it for free, but I became leery of what other hardware would fail unexpectedly.
Hard drive failure! That would NEVER happen if you had a Dell!

Apple uses the same hard drives as basically everyone else on the market. Sometimes they fail. They are moving parts. In this case, Apple replaced it for free. I don't see the problem, except you are apparently a huge whiner.

The supportable points of your argument, in total, boil down to this:

- Apple's marketing department and fans lured me in with promises of Macs being virus-free and having great service, both of which turned out to be true.
- FireWire is sexy.
- Sometimes I see the spinny cursor on my Mac.
- Microsoft Word doesn't please me on the Mac because the key shortcuts aren't short enough, and because I can't find the compatibility button on the save panel. Also, PowerPoint.
- Microsoft Outlook doesn't please me on the Mac, and I never tried the free alternatives that were bundled with the system.
- AOL(!) doesn't please me on the Mac.
- Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 from 1997 does not please me on the Mac, and I mistakenly believe Safari doesn't support Flash, nor will I use any of the many free alternatives that would work fine.
- One time, my hard drive broke and was replaced for free.

In summary: you are fundamentally only interested in using Microsoft products, and you find that your experience on a Mac using nothing written by Apple and everything by Microsoft is sub-par. Wow! I am SHOCKED! This is as amazing as when I heard that people who love open-source software sometimes prefer Linux to Mac OS X!
I let the repaired shiny Mac sit on the floor for weeks, and instead used my reliable IBM ThinkPad, and rediscovered how much I enjoy it. Wish me luck on selling the Mac.
Good luck! And good riddance! I'd buy it myself but I'm afraid you might have smeared some stupid on it!

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213 Comments:

Anonymous Matt Tavares said...

You are a god.

October 15, 2006 6:52 PM

 
Anonymous TjL said...

Dang. I was almost done writing my response when I read yours. I nearly clicked DELETE instead of POST. But I had written all those words...

October 15, 2006 6:58 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's sad about this is that the incompetent technology advisor will never read your blog, and even if he did he wouldn't get it. Instead, he'll probably lead the rest of his life detesting Macs because he doesn't know any better, and he'll convince other people to do the same because he's somehow a technology advisor.

October 15, 2006 7:01 PM

 
Blogger Patrick Gibson said...

I can't wait for the follow up article by him, "Crazed Mac Fanatics Attack". As stupid as these people are, I sometimes wonder if it would be better to write them a simple letter say "Hey, what exact problems did you have? Because I don't have problems running Word, or viewing web pages. Can I help?"

I know it's not my/your responsibility to teach someone how to use the Mac OS, but when people with a voice (as minor as it may be) blast the Mac OS in such a way wouldn't it be more productive to either ignore it or offer help, rather than blast him in the stereotypical mac-fan-boy fashion?

October 15, 2006 7:06 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go Wil, it's your birthday.

October 15, 2006 7:08 PM

 
Anonymous Brian Amerige said...

This was so worth taking a code-break from.

Oh yeah, happy birthday. That was a helluva nice way to start it.

October 15, 2006 7:11 PM

 
Blogger random milk said...

man, Gruber's gonna be dark on you - stealing his thunder like this....
But more importantly - Happy Birthday!!!!!

October 15, 2006 7:16 PM

 
Anonymous Tyler Kieft said...

I couldn't stop laughing by the time I finished this. The part at the end where you summed up all the completely bogus and unrelated points that he made absolutely killed me. Way to go, Wil.

October 15, 2006 7:19 PM

 
Blogger Robert Padbury said...

Bravo!

.... and happy birthday.

October 15, 2006 7:20 PM

 
Anonymous Hub said...

Happy birthday

October 15, 2006 7:23 PM

 
Anonymous FredB said...

Funny you're the one making us a present for your birthday.
Please, stop coding, just blog more. :D
Happy birthday.

October 15, 2006 7:25 PM

 
Blogger Ryan said...

Oh yeah, awesome post Wil! And happy birthday too!

I'm still a bit shocked by how much was just plain wrong in that article. One you didn't mention: the Word print dialog has the usual Presets popup menu (and it saves the printer-specific options, with my HP at least).

October 15, 2006 7:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I lol'd

October 15, 2006 7:35 PM

 
Blogger John Siracusa said...

"Darn, it's like Microsoft isn't really trying to make a good mail client for their competition, isn't it?"

That's crazy tak. Entourage (still) stomps all over Mail.

October 15, 2006 7:38 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/pubArticleLTN.jsp?id=1158829528257

Another article on the same site by another law practitioner, praising the Mac...ironically, I found it because it is linked to from Larry Bodine's piece!

October 15, 2006 7:46 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Entourage (still) stomps all over Mail."

Really? I've been using Mail for years and I love it. Entourage is typical over-complicated Microsoft crap.

October 15, 2006 7:52 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So he ran Outlook in Classic then? Unless he meant Entourage.

October 15, 2006 7:55 PM

 
Anonymous John Cleary said...

I seriously believe Apple should just start suing people like this for defamation.

He makes claims that are simply factually incorrect. He associates problems with other people's products with Apple.

Sue his ass I say.

john

October 15, 2006 8:11 PM

 
Anonymous jesse said...

So, to sum up, the guy is a moron. Nice total deconstruction of a poorly researched article written by a highly ignorant man.

October 15, 2006 8:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, his response on his blog is:
Mac Aficionados in Flames

His supporting points are:
-many called offering help
-many posted useful tips
-many thought his story wasn't true
-one person insulted him in comments while he was writing his blog post!

October 15, 2006 8:28 PM

 
Anonymous Patrick Haney said...

Wil, that is the funniest (and saddest) thing I've read in a long time. And, honestly, the best flame I have ever read.

Thanks for the laughs, and have a happy birthday.

October 15, 2006 8:28 PM

 
Anonymous gb said...

Interesting note on his "issues" with printing in Word: uh, it's a lot quicker to hit CMD-P, then hit print... or, if a QUICK print is what you desire, why not hit the little icon that looks like a printer on your toolbar, sir? That just shoots it straight to the printer.


Seriously, it's as though he woke up one morning, put on his shoes, tied his shoe laces together, stood up, took one step and fell over. He then promptly blamed his shoelaces for not working properly.

October 15, 2006 9:30 PM

 
Blogger nchaimov said...

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October 15, 2006 9:30 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"if you spread rotten shit on a hot dog"

lmfao

Happy b-day~!

October 15, 2006 9:35 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a contrast to all the enflaming posts above, I'd like to mention that I sent a nice email to the writer with some helpful hints and suggestions, and offered to help him further if he needed it.

I realize that his article wasn't directly asking for help, and was in fact, partially ignorantly, disparaging of something we all enjoy and esteem. Nonetheless a helpful and kind response is the kind of response I would hope that we would each offer if we had met the writer in person, so I offer to him now over the internet as well.

Offer him help to show him that the Mac Community isn't just filled with partisan blowhards, but with helpful smart geeks. Even if his article doesn't deserve it.

October 15, 2006 10:03 PM

 
Anonymous Scott said...

Um. There is no Outlook for Mac anymore.

October 15, 2006 10:07 PM

 
Anonymous nchaimov said...

He responds!

"These Mac zealots are unusually defensive. They are just realizing that they have bought orphan technology. Macs are the Betamax of the 21st Century."

October 15, 2006 10:13 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with everything you've written except the Safari working with WYSIWYG blogs. I have a WordPress blog and none of the writing features work in Safari. A popular technology forum's rich-text editor also doesn't work.

That was probably the only thing that caught my eye in Mr Larry's post.

October 15, 2006 10:45 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I regularly use half a dozen windows machines (running win2k, NT, xp pro, and xp home ed), a couple of Linux machines (now both running the lovely Ubuntu) and 3 Macs. They're all fine and anyone who couldn't accomplish the tasks that Mr. Technology Consultant set for himself on *any* of these machines is... well, that would be my mom. But she does not claim and has never claimed to be a "technology consultant." I am forced to the conclusion that Mr. Technology Consultant is (a) a drooling retard; (b) a liar; or (c) intentionally incompetent. These possibilities are not mutually exclusive.

October 15, 2006 10:50 PM

 
Anonymous Carrington Vanston said...

Wait a doggon minute. Are you seriously telling me the Apple IIe isn't being supported any more?

Clearly, I need a new technology advisor. I shall look in the other caves...

October 16, 2006 12:14 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wil, you're a champ. I took a week to get up to speed when I switched and I'm way more productive on my Mac than I am with WinXP. I work day-in day-out on a PC and go home and just love working on my MBP.

Spotlight makes my life a lot easier, because on my Mac's desktop I only have my HD icons, and on my windows PC at work (and I've had it only half as long as the MBP) there are 49 icons. Mac OS just makes life easier and cleaner.

BTW, Happy Birthday

October 16, 2006 12:17 AM

 
Blogger Wil Shipley said...

I think it's great if people want to nicely offer this guy help. But his post was both incredibly insulting AND full of outright lies, and that magic combination, to me, says this person needs a smack, not a biscuit.

It was like, say, if I decided I really hated how smug Mac users were, so I hooked up a third-party networking card and hacked it and then did a huge press release about how Macs can be hacked without even connecting to a network and got tons of press on it but then never demonstrated an actual Mac being hacked publicly, and instead just hinted that I was being threatened by corporate goons into being silent, except I wasn't really being silent, I was showing up at conferences and giving talks in which I claim to be being threatened, which is kind of unbelievable because if someone were really threatening me I'd probably either (a) ignore the threat and say what I wanted, or (b) tell the world I was being threatened and say what I wanted, or (c) keep quite because I was scared, but not (d) tell the world I was being threatened but not say what I wanted. (It's like, "Don't call the cops or I'll shoot you." "Ok, well, can I tell the cops that you threatened to shoot me, then?" "No! Dumbass!")

October 16, 2006 12:52 AM

 
Anonymous Robert Rezabek said...

Happy birthday, Wil!

I am so glad this guy jumped off the train. Imagine he bought our softwares some day. Nothing but support trouble. And hey, the average IQ of Mac users just recovered after a mysterious low since May 2006.

October 16, 2006 1:20 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I think it's great if people want to nicely offer this guy help. But his post was both incredibly insulting AND full of outright lies, and that magic combination, to me, says this person needs a smack, not a biscuit."

Did you feel insulted? Why? Do you work at Apple?

Thanks to the usual suspects, MacDailyNews and the like, sending hate mails and insults, he will rant about aggressive zealots.

October 16, 2006 1:58 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If nothing else, Larry's post should remind us that anything blog related needs to be passed thru about 3 s**t filters to get to the reality of what the author is saying. Even then one has to presume it may be entirely fiction, as this article probably is. Or possibly evn Mac-user flame bait - which it also seems to be. Wonder if he knows that Dvorak character. Unless this guy is actually from some alternate dimension where Apple/Microsoft quality of user-experience are reversed.

I still don't understand how he obtained a 2.7Ghz Mac only 5 months ago (and one which wasn't second hand.) Did he really mean May 2005?? If not, this only goes to support my alternate dimension theory ;-)

Plus, he kinda looks like a retarded Michael J. Fox in the pic on his site (no offence at all to Michael.)

October 16, 2006 2:04 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Plus, he kinda looks like a retarded Michael J. Fox in the pic on his site "

Can you please post a picture of yourself, just so we can laugh at it? Still, what does it have to do with anything?

October 16, 2006 2:30 AM

 
Anonymous Dmitry Chestnykh said...

This article is just crazy!

Happy birthday, Wil!

October 16, 2006 2:50 AM

 
Anonymous pcal said...

I love my Mac. I think they're great and try to get everyone I know to use one. I just need to make that clear before I say what I have to say here.

If you're a lawyer and your whole computing life is Microsoft office, you really are quite possibly better off running Windows (perhaps on a Mac, perhaps not). MacOffice is pretty good, but you do run into compatibility issues when crossing the OS divide. And it is true that it is not as fully-featured on the Mac. And Entourage really does just plain suck. At the end of the day, if you're in an office that revolves around Outlook, there are good reasons to want to be running Outlook and Windows.

And in any event, while yes the guy is wrong about a few specific things, that doesn't make him an idiot or stupid (or retarded or whatever else you people are calling him). Different people have different needs. Why is that so hard for y'all to accept?

Again, I love my Mac as much as anyone, but I have to say I'm a little taken aback by the zealotry and dismissive tone in this post and all of these comments. By going on this way, you're only proving the guy's point about the Mac user stereotype.

October 16, 2006 3:10 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no File|Delete optin in Word for Windows - i just checked

October 16, 2006 3:20 AM

 
Anonymous Jay said...

I just peed my pants and then subscribed to your feed.

That was awesome!

October 16, 2006 3:36 AM

 
Anonymous Charles said...

The things you criticise him for are things he shouldn't have had to find out. Buy a scroll mouse? Why? They come with PCs off the shelf. Hard sell on the mac.com? ActiveX on IE?

It's not his job to know this stuff, just as it isn't yours to know whether the EULA applies in every territory where the machine might be sold. You're criticising him for not being a computer expert. That's wrong. It's the computer that should be the expert.

October 16, 2006 3:42 AM

 
Anonymous Christopher Masto said...

I think the whole Mac community has been trolled.

October 16, 2006 4:19 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And in any event, while yes the guy is wrong about a few specific things, that doesn't make him an idiot or stupid (or retarded or whatever else you people are calling him). Different people have different needs.

pcal: if you get numerous simple but imprtant things wrong, don't do any research before attempting to solve problems, post your misguided saga on a law.com legal technology site (this is not a random rant blog...), and expect anything less than ridicule...

please clarify: what is your definition of stupid ?

October 16, 2006 4:25 AM

 
Anonymous Diego Barros said...

Talk about outing yourself as someone who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about! Why would someone who proclaims to be some sort of "professional" so publicly display his stupidity?

What a total wanker!

October 16, 2006 5:13 AM

 
Blogger Troy Phillips said...

This guy is not necessarily stupid, but he is certainly ignorant.

Just like anyone, I had a good laugh reading Wil's post, but the reality is that from this guys point of view things didn't work the way he is used to/expecting and he didn't have a "mentor" that could lead him in the right direction.

Even if it isn't Apple and MS MBU's fault - I think that they should do better. They both need switchers business, so they have to work harder to get it.

The more sucessful campaign at "switching users" that I am familar with was won by MS Office for Windows. If you look in the help menu of Microsoft Word for Windows, they still have an item "Help for WordPerfect Users..." and Excel has something about Lotus 1-2-3. I remember that both programs had modes where the competitors key presses worked etc.

As an aside, this guy is sure going to get a surprise with Vista/Office 2007!

October 16, 2006 5:24 AM

 
Blogger Luis G. said...

He's using the Dvorak strategy. Flame on the Mac and get a huge surge of hits next morning.

October 16, 2006 6:06 AM

 
Anonymous Josh Allman said...

My favorite line: "La la la, look at me typing in it." Its just so insulting its hilarious. I can imagine you doing this in front of the guy. Great stuff.

October 16, 2006 6:39 AM

 
Anonymous Matt Ebb said...

Great post, Wil, and happy birthday. You should take these liberties more often ;)

October 16, 2006 7:43 AM

 
Anonymous PaulFM said...

Wow,
Technology advisor eh. Impressive. I didn't know the "Dummies" series could take you that far. Vewy scawy.

Nice piece Wil - It's comforting to see these thoughts in writing. I go through this at least once a day, but just keep it bottled up inside.

October 16, 2006 8:16 AM

 
Anonymous Mark Stultz said...

I'm not sure if this has been already said, but I'm not sure that this man should be hanging around ANY 3rd graders.

October 16, 2006 8:18 AM

 
Anonymous nick s said...

This man is a 'technology consultant'?

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach; and those who slept through the lessons consult.

October 16, 2006 8:32 AM

 
Anonymous Tristan said...

Aw man, your grammar is fucking awful.

I wish I had a better comment than that but damn, it was so hard to work out what you're trying to talk about.

Get off your high horse and let people hate mac's if they want, everyone'll just end up on Ubuntu anyway.

October 16, 2006 8:49 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mac users are fuking idiots.

October 16, 2006 8:49 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mac users are fuking idiots.

October 16, 2006 8:50 AM

 
Anonymous onestep said...

larry bodine = Mac illiterate and extremely ignorant.

Hit the help button larry.. or is that too confusing since you have to go to a menu to choose it. Click on the Finder, go to the menu at the top of the screen...all the way to the right.. choose 'help'. Now, click on 'Switching from Windows'.

or better yet.. you seem like you need hand holding. Larry.. don't splurge on a $10 book, just go to my site and I will give you a tutorial every single day.

October 16, 2006 8:54 AM

 
Anonymous Beerzie said...

There is no File|Delete option in Word (?!) Why would there be? What applications allow you to delete an open file from within the application? And why would you want to?

This guy is a collosal asshat.

October 16, 2006 8:55 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'd buy it myself but I'm afraid you might have smeared some stupid on it!"

- LOL!!!

Thanks for the read.

October 16, 2006 8:55 AM

 
Anonymous Jonic said...

Haha!

Great piece! To be honest, I'm really not a fan of Macs, but I agree that his article was very badly written and full of holes...

It's great to see that you tore him a new one!

October 16, 2006 8:56 AM

 
Blogger Wader said...

The original authors email address is at the bottom of the article. Has anyone emailed him?

October 16, 2006 9:03 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow.

Thanks so much for the laughs! I can't believe people thought that Larry's story was serious!

Wait...what do you mean it WAS serious?

-j

October 16, 2006 9:04 AM

 
Anonymous Tom said...

I second what matt tavares said about your being a god. Man, I wish I could flame in such a way. You have my respect and admiration for all eternity (that's not counting how much I love your software, too).

October 16, 2006 9:05 AM

 
Anonymous M. Pancha said...

Wow.... you should stick to writing code, and not rebuttal posts.

I'm not agreeing with the essay you are rebutting, but wow, that was a complete waste of time reading your blog post.

October 16, 2006 9:07 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great response! One thing, though, despite the fact (yes, fact), that Safari and Firefox are more WC3 compliant than IE, there are many (if not most) sites on the net that were developed, wrong-mindedly, with only IE as a target market. Incompatibilities DO result. So he does have a point there. I'm a web developer who uses both Mac and Wintel systems, so believe me, I see it all the time. Any ActiveX control usually won't work on the Mac (which is actually a bonus, when it comes to security). Both my bank and credit card company websites have issues displaying in Safari and Firefox. Not insurmountable issues, but issues that would bother me if I was novice. And occasionally I come across e-commerce sites that simply will not work outside of IE for Wintel. Sad but true. Thankfully, now that we have Parallels/Bootcamp, that won't be such an issue.

October 16, 2006 9:08 AM

 
Blogger Lonely Canuck said...

freakin brilliant.

October 16, 2006 9:12 AM

 
Blogger That Conservative Canadian University Student (!) said...

What drove me nuts was that I would open Word for Mac and couldn't delete files while I was in Word. There is no File | Delete option. So the documents took up space on my hard drive, until someone told me I had to find the document in Finder and then move it into the trash from there. This seemed stupid to me; I just wanted to highlight a file and tap "delete."


This option doesn't exist in Windows to my knowledge, and if it does, it's useless. I've never used it, I'm a windows user first, Mac user second (though i prefer a mac now) and I just went to My Documents, and deleted it :O. PRetty challengint :|

October 16, 2006 9:14 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad and scary facts are that people pay this Larry guy for his opinions and this Law.com has put up such tripe.

October 16, 2006 9:16 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"American speakers" I didn't realize "American" was a language?

October 16, 2006 9:17 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh hell.

That was worth printing out for toilet paper. He bought a Mac, he feels let down. Quit analyzing, get over it.

October 16, 2006 9:19 AM

 
Blogger Wil Shipley said...

The things you criticise him for are things he shouldn't have had to find out. Buy a scroll mouse? Why? They come with PCs off the shelf. Hard sell on the mac.com? ActiveX on IE?

It's not his job to know this stuff, just as it isn't yours to know whether the EULA applies in every territory where the machine might be sold. You're criticising him for not being a computer expert. That's wrong. It's the computer that should be the expert.


Charles: What post did _you_ read? You get almost every point wrong.

a) His machine DID come with a scrollball, multi-button mouse, as ALL Macs do.
b) I didn't tell him to buy Mac.com, or give him a hard sell (WTF?), I said he didn't need it to use those apps.
c) It *IS* that guy's job to know that stuff. He's a technology consultant, not a lawyer. Nowhere does it even say he has a law degree.
d) I make it my job to understand the law as it applies to my business.
e) I try VERY HARD not to post long rants on the net if I don't know about something.

I'll give you that he shouldn't have to know about ActiveX. Nor should anyone, really. ActiveX should be quickly forgotten.

October 16, 2006 9:19 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like shooting fish in a barrel. You could have stopped at AOL.

Frightening to think this guy recommends technology to anyone. I wouldn't let him program my DVR.

"This was too complicated, and I went back to hitting Play-Record when the show came on which I wanted to view at a later time."

October 16, 2006 9:19 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your reply wasn't witty, funny, or interesting. It was just slightly more annoying than the original article in fact. Oh let me pick his article apart look how wrong he is har har har. And then he said... can you believe it?

Self-important mactards.

October 16, 2006 9:19 AM

 
Blogger joxenford said...

Yeah, this post sucks. I'm so tired of this PC vs Mac stuff. Look, Macs are always going to suck to some people as will Windows. They are both just tools or a means to an end. Mac fanatics, get over it, move on. There are problems with Mac apps. I support them for a living and I could give you a very detailed list of problems in Macs that don't exsist on Windows. But I've already given that list to Apple.

October 16, 2006 9:19 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And we still cant maximize a window....

October 16, 2006 9:20 AM

 
Blogger M said...

Dude... he's getting a dell. Had to post it. Happy birthday.

October 16, 2006 9:21 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I emailed him. Said he was out on a client thing or something. I'm amazed that someone can really publish crap like this. And his latest "article" he says "They Mac users are just realizing that they have bought orphan technology. Macs are the Betamax of the 21st Century." Where did he get this?

He actually collects money for his opinions? I think he probably uses the Chewbacca defense as well.

October 16, 2006 9:23 AM

 
Blogger Jemaleddin said...

When he says, "Word files transferred from the Mac were missing pictures," I think he means that he never figured out the difference between inserting and linking files - this happens to people in my office (all PCs) all the time. Not a Mac thing - just a stupid Word distinction.

October 16, 2006 9:23 AM

 
Anonymous Maverick said...

Even with its stupid generalizations, Larry has touched on the tip of a lot of icebergs that a MAC has waiting to sink any ship. Real tech's use linux not MAC OS.

October 16, 2006 9:27 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

could be that he's just trying to show off to his 'bosses' at redmond. one problem with guys like this making phoney claims, is that they're actually convinced that they're so correct!

October 16, 2006 9:28 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess some old dogs can't learn new tricks. Even though they are easy!

October 16, 2006 9:35 AM

 
Anonymous mark said...

As far as the # of key strokes to invoke printing preferences like:

draft/econo ink, duplex (both sides of page), multiple copies per page, collation, or any of the other layout/format options;

can easily BE SAVED AS CUSTOM PRESETS in the print dialog box.

Incredibly powerful and quick. Only a retard would set individual options over and over and over again.

While it may be politically incorrect, perhaps macs need to ship a Macs for the Really Really Retarded.
-----
Happy Birthday!!

October 16, 2006 9:37 AM

 
Blogger Wil Shipley said...

"Maverick," huh? Did your mom not like you?"

But, seriously, MAC makes cosmetics.

October 16, 2006 9:37 AM

 
Blogger geckoMAN said...

Great Job Will! Happy bday.

October 16, 2006 9:43 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

his experience is like an american going to paris, ordering a hamburger, then complaining the food sucks in france! and next time he'll just do his vacationing in america... THEY know how to get hamburgers right.

October 16, 2006 9:48 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Flash really doesn't work well on any Mac browser, Sarari or Firefox included.

October 16, 2006 9:48 AM

 
Anonymous Ian Smith said...

His stupidity is beyond all the adjectives in my vocabulary....

Happy birthday Wil. :)

October 16, 2006 9:55 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There are problems with Mac apps. I support them for a living and I could give you a very detailed list of problems in Macs that don't exsist on Windows. But I've already given that list to Apple."

No, no, no. That lets the problems go down a hole. You give that list to US. We will get so many Macnerds complaining about the issues that apple will be much more motivated to do the fixes... :-)

October 16, 2006 9:57 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems to me that there is one single complaint which every switcher who hates the mac always has. Their number one - and only complaint? The Mac isn't Windows. That's it. Everyone who switches and hates it and then writes some blog about how awful the mac is always has only one issue - it's different. Well shock and awe, Copernicus. If he wanted something exactly the same why bother? Seriously - I love to see a happy switcher, but I hate to see a whining fool complain that a computer is different than what he's used to right after he went out and bought the damn thing because it's different.

October 16, 2006 10:03 AM

 
Anonymous Knoroz said...

Wil, this is a very very poor review of an article. Going to debate 'opinions' paragraph by paragraph is certainly not the best way to do it. You should begin by stating the why it is totally wrong and then go into the details. If you don't know how, look at Larry's article; he is pretty good.

I don't know who is right or wrong with their opinions, but style-wise, Larry is clearly better. Sorry.

October 16, 2006 10:03 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not a Mac user. I probably never will be but that's merely because I'm comfortable using my Windows.

Your response made me chuckle and reconsider owning a Mac. I'll let you know how it goes if I manage to get one :D

October 16, 2006 10:05 AM

 
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October 16, 2006 10:09 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well there are some points in macs that are plain frustrating. The biggest example i get is safari just like he (who according to you is the incompetenet IT advisor) mentioned. Let me put it this way, i started off my evening after work to browse the web on a mac and now i am back to the boot camped windows and its a relief. All i was doing is going through digg.com stories. The stupid safari crashed not once not twice but thrice all this in less than a hour. And all i was running was Safari 1 window with 5-8 tabs. some text based pages some flash movie based (youtube movies etc -- links from digg.com) and just like this guys says it cant play flash .. crashes and crashes and crashes .. and this is not just today its more like a daily routine. Safari just cant be used to surf the web --- thats it. Its very existence is pointless. It SUX. The hardware Im using is standard mac mini and comparatively windows run much faster (can use this for comparison since its the same hardware) Flash 8 for example takes eternity to load on MAC as compared to the windows on the same pc. There are a few more problems but i'll just leave it here as.

October 16, 2006 10:10 AM

 
Anonymous sixfoot6 said...

This is hilarious. I love you. Happy birthday.

October 16, 2006 10:10 AM

 
Blogger Mike said...

He bitches cause he has to buy a book to learn something new? Last time I checked you had to learn things from somewhere. Either by some one showing you or by reading it in a book. If he was insulted by the 'for Dummies' series of books then he should have purchased any one of the many other books in the world written to learn the mac os.
Here I might as well help him out, cause apparently he wants some one to hold his hand.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/102-1644280-1750501?url=node%3D1000%2C5&field-keywords=Mac+OSX&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=Mac+OS+X&z=y&cds2Pid=9481
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_bgi/102-1644280-1750501?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Mac+OSX&Go.x=15&Go.y=14&Go=Go
There, now he can't complain, just dont buy the 'For Dummies' series.

October 16, 2006 10:13 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that him putting a Powermac in the trash can??? A working Powermac?? Id have to kick someones ass if I ever saw that. Even if the motherboard is swiss cheese at least keep it for that kick ass case!

October 16, 2006 10:15 AM

 
Blogger Mike said...

He bitches cause he has to buy a book to learn something new? Last time I checked you had to learn things from somewhere. Either by some one showing you or by reading it in a book. If he was insulted by the 'for Dummies' series of books then he should have purchased any one of the many other books in the world written to learn the mac os.
Here I might as well help him out, cause apparently he wants some one to hold his hand.
http://www.amazon.com
http://search.barnesandnoble.com
http://www.amazon.com/
There, now he can't complain, just dont buy the 'For Dummies' series.

October 16, 2006 10:16 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many of you read the original post? This is basically how it went down.

"This guy is fanning the flames of Mac v.s. PC, bringing up all the wrong points. Perhaps I should point out why his argument is wrong."

"LOL MACS SUCK"

I'm a Windows user, but I don't hate the Mac, so don't go calling me a Mac Fanboy or anything. All the Original Poster did was point out an idiot being... well, an idiot. Here, let me give you a dumbed down version of what actually happened here.

"I hate Sony because a 3rd party game for the PS2 was horrible. Therefore, the PS2 must suck. I didn't bother to play any first party games that had good reviews, but only the games made by a 3rd party."

Wow, that's some argument. Here's another one.

"I got a DVD player, and bought a movie for it. The movie was bad, so the DVD player manufacturer sucks."

*taps foot*

"I got a new CD Player for my car, but it sucks! Damn I hate my car!"

*looks around* Getting the picture yet? All that was said was "Wow, why are you talking crap about the Mac when nearly all your gripes are with the Microsoft programs on the Mac?"

You WINDOWS fanboys (and Mac ones to boot; fanboys in general) need to get off your high horse. Both OS' are good for their own reasons, and appeal to a different audience.

[/rant]

October 16, 2006 10:19 AM

 
Anonymous Dave C said...

Your final point:

"In summary: you are fundamentally only interested in using Microsoft products, and you find that your experience on a Mac using nothing written by Apple and everything by Microsoft is sub-par. Wow! I am SHOCKED! This is as amazing as when I heard that people who love open-source software sometimes prefer Linux to Mac OS X!"


Why did you write this flaming fanboy article if you understand where he is coming from?

Wil, you are Larry, except on from the Apple point of view... only you choose to result to personal attacks and insults to prove your point.

Congraulations.

October 16, 2006 10:23 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, I can understand that this guy wrote his piece first and you are just replying to it. I will give yout that. You have the right to rebuttal.

What gets me the most iare the Mac users who act as though a Mac is so much better than anything else. I have used Linux, Windows and Mac OSX. They are all fundamentally the same. Sure Mac OSX might look good, but that isn't a strong selling point to me. I personally use Ubuntu as a desktop. What you won't catch me doing is giving a crap about what someone says about Linux. To each his own.

All I am saying, is that the whole "fanatical Mac user" thing is getting old. In fact, it is the main reason I don't buy a Mac. It seems that merely possessing a Mac turns people into pretentious snobs, for the most part. So the guy didn't like his Mac? So what?

October 16, 2006 10:25 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wil, you're a chimp. Nobody likes Macs, get over it.

October 16, 2006 10:26 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Larry's website renders fine for me using Firefox.

2. There is no File Delete menu option in word on the PC. So he must mean from the windows explorer. Therefore of course he could use command delete on a highlighted file. Or he could right click on the file and "Move to Trash". With his single button mouse he could CTRL click on the file to do the same.

3. And of course Flash works just FINE on the Mac on both Safari and FireFox.

And this guy is a technology consultant? AND he paid $125 because his hard drive died? Implying he did not have a backup or run his drive in a raid configuration? Just pitiful

October 16, 2006 10:28 AM

 
Blogger kpfeif said...

Interesting stuff, considering that both me and a friend (see his "Giving Apple a Chance" blog) are doing a little Mac "switch" experiment right now - we bought admittedly low-end Macs (iMac G3s) and installed OS X on them. It's been a few days, and I can say that I'm already a fan.

Things have been easy to figure out, and those I couldn't I found the answers in Help. I've already locked down the machine for my young son to use via the built-in parental controls. Safari is a nice browser, but I still prefer Firefox. Mail is fine. The Graphire table I have worked when I plugged it in.

I'm frustrated by some things. I'm used to swapping out commodity hardware, but due to the "all-in-one" design I can't do that. The Airport wireless card is $80 - used. The memory is more expensive. With Apple you give Apple almost complete vertical control of the hardware, and in return you don't have to spend hours worrying about nasty device problems or security holes. I thing that may be worth the extra price.

This guy, for some reason, expected the Mac OX to behave like the Microsoft OS. Why?

October 16, 2006 10:29 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Macs are like a Louis Vuitton bag. A very expensive status symbol.

October 16, 2006 10:29 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wil, this is a very very poor review of an article. Going to debate 'opinions' paragraph by paragraph is certainly not the best way to do it.

Did you read the same article as the rest of us? "Macs suck because Windows software doesn't work. I don't know how to click the quick print button (that both Macs and PCs have, but apparently he didn't know how to use it for EITHER Operating systems). Those aren't 'opinions' sir, those are claims of idiocy.

You should begin by stating the why it is totally wrong and then go into the details. If you don't know how, look at Larry's article; he is pretty good.

Alirht, let's see. Why it's totally wrong: Saying a Mac sucks because Windows programs doesn't run on it is a poor and misguided attack. Details: If I said "The new stereo installed in my car is terrible, therefore my car must suck", would you think I was insane? Well of course. Why is this situation any different? "I ran Windows software on my Mac, and it runs poorly. Therefore, my Mac sucks."

I don't know who is right or wrong with their opinions, but style-wise, Larry is clearly better. Sorry.

STYLE? THAT sounds like an opinion. Maybe YOU need to open up your eyes to your own hypocracy.

October 16, 2006 10:29 AM

 
Blogger Adam the Dog said...

Macs...PCs... Who cares? When it really comes down to it, you can do ANYTHING on a Mac that you can do on a PC. And vice-versa. Certainly each platform has its inherent advantages, but similarly, people choose their platform based on preference and experience. This guy definitely states his opinion from HIS perspective. (oh, and as a note: All modern Windows applications give you the option to Copy/Cut/Paste/Delete/Rename files from their "File/Open" and "File/Save" dialog boxes. I do miss that feature in Macs as well, but only occasionally.)

I used PCs exclusively until 2002, when a friend introduced me to Apples. For three months, I was livid. I had spend thousands of dollars on a laptop & new software, and I interpretted numerous shortfalls with the operating system. I was ready to give up and buy a Dell myself.

But suddenly, I had an epiphany: I was upset for no reason. I could do anything on the Mac, and many of the programs were better written or free. I learned the shortcuts. I began to LIKE the differnces in the windows. After the initial learning curve, I LOVED the Mac. It just made sense.

Now, I try to convince people to switch. 9/10 say that Macs aren't good for their business. I always challenge them by asking "why?" They don't know. There is no concrete reason. The 1/10 people have never been happier--no viruses or spyware, and the software is perfect for them.

So I don't care if someone calls me a Mac fanboy, or if I'm referred to as a "Mactard". I use a Windows PC at the office, run an Active directory at home for the family on their PCs, Linux for my web server, and for me, a Mac. And it's great.

October 16, 2006 10:32 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd buy it myself but I'm afraid you might have smeared some stupid on it!


I will use that in real life it's so funny.

October 16, 2006 10:34 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish I had as good of a birthday as your having. WHAT A STUPID.

October 16, 2006 10:35 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recommend going to his article, clicking on his email, and flaming him that way, too. You know, just for fun.

October 16, 2006 10:37 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was brilliant, thank you for calling out that moron. Small point,...I think you probably meant to use "i.e." for both cases of "e.g." in your flame. Check it out.

October 16, 2006 10:39 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI, this dude's computer was either used or slightly outdated since Apple stopped producing the dual 2.7 in early 2005 when the quad 2.5 came out. So, he bought a 2 year old computer when it had been announced that the entire line was switching to Intel giving him the ability to run BOTH OS X and Windows but of course he doesn't know this stuff because he is as you so wonderfully put it " a big stupid"

October 16, 2006 10:40 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on guys, this guy might be a bit ignorant, but let's be realistic - switching isn't for everyone.

He has ingrained habits developed from years of using Windows that can't be unlearned overnight.

Switchers, especially the stubborn arses, need to be guided into the transition by someone who knows the differences between Windows and Mac. I'm a successful switcher, but I still long for the ability to use the Delete key to delete files and to be able to use cut and paste files in the Finder.

The guy may be a butthead (he most definitely is not a self learner), but he was probably sold a bill of goods by the Mac users/media who gave him a set of incorrect expectations about switching.

Starting with a Mac is easy. Switching may not be.

October 16, 2006 10:46 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In other news, if you spread rotten shit on a hot dog, it doesn't taste as good."


can shit actually go rotten?

October 16, 2006 10:48 AM

 
Blogger Joe Clark said...

How does one “optimize” a site for IE 5.5?

Ah. I had almost forgotten. By doing anything other than writing standards-compliant HTML and CSS.

Could that be his problem?

October 16, 2006 10:51 AM

 
Anonymous Les said...

As a side note, I couldn't help but notice how similar LarryBodine.com looks to this site. :)

October 16, 2006 10:51 AM

 
Blogger joe said...

"There is no File | Delete option. So the documents took up space on my hard drive, until someone told me I had to find the document in Finder and then move it into the trash from there"

Wil - you really dropped the ball letting this gem get away, even giving him "a point" for it.
1) I've never used, nor even seen, a File | Delete option in any MS Office version on Windows - Word, Excel, PPT, etc. I just checked Office 2000 and 2003, and I don't see it - i don't know what he's talking about.
but worse, 2) this guy considers himself "not a dummy", but yet he had to be told that to remove a file, he had to actually locate the file in Finder? WTF - so he looks for a File|Delete option, doesn't find it, then says to himself "hmmm, well if I can't delete it from inside Word, it must be impossible to remove! Uh-oh, i hope I don't generate too much crap in Word or my hard drive will fill up with non-deleteable documents!"

come on... we're all being Punk'd, right?
right? Did Ashton Kucher write that article? Are we on TV right now?

October 16, 2006 10:55 AM

 
Anonymous SeoxyS said...

On the suggestions of friends, I downloaded Netscape and Firefox, which were no better.
"No better?" That's it, huh? Well, I'm convinced! Although I should mention my friends on the Firefox team have told me they are working to upgrade their next version to "kinda better," with the eventual goal of being "somewhat better."

------

Hey but that's like the only point he has. Firefox is no better than Safari, because Safari is the best... (I'll leave OmniWeb out of this)

October 16, 2006 10:56 AM

 
Blogger themacjedi said...

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October 16, 2006 10:56 AM

 
Blogger nouhad said...

rofl! 10/10

October 16, 2006 10:59 AM

 
Blogger themacjedi said...

I wrote my own observations about the article and responses.

http://themacjedi.com/files/38300f940ea8b5234d8093129266cdff-195.html

Yes I think he is being ignorant, but in a completely different way

October 16, 2006 11:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone didn't like a Mac. A lot of people don't. Who cares? Why did you waste all of this time responding to him? You should be out partying for your birthday.

October 16, 2006 11:03 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$4.5K for a Mac?

Did this guy really buy a full, decked out Quad-G5 for write some Word documents and browse the web?

It frightens me that others might come to "Mr. Technology" for advice. For the type of work he was doing, an Intel iMac would have been more than enough (and provide him with the option to also run Windows if he wanted).

I'm not a big fan of lawyers, but I don't know if I dislike them that much to recommend they use this guy for actual technological advice.That would just be mean!

October 16, 2006 11:05 AM

 
Blogger Piper said...

Funky stuff. If you look at the blog entry, http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/pubArticleLTN.jsp?id=1158829528257 is a related article by ANOTHER lawyer who LOVES a mac.

2 contrasting pieces side by side.

October 16, 2006 11:08 AM

 
Anonymous Scott said...

Wil, command my soul. kudos!

October 16, 2006 11:08 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He bought the Mac in 2005:

http://pm.typepad.com/professional_marketing_bl/2005/07/iys_a_cold_day_.html

October 16, 2006 11:12 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simple fact is that Microsoft has set a standard. If the mac version doesn't live up to that standard, the 90% of the world that needs it to work will have problems.

You, on the other hand, seem to be defending the platform as if it were your only child. Taking things a bit personally?

Oh well. I guess I would too, if I had paid twice the price for a narfed computer.

October 16, 2006 11:17 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this line:
"I bought a boat anchor that can't view Web sites properly."

As a web developer, I know that Safari running on this guy's boat anchor is the only browser that can view web sites properly (as well as the other KHTML mac spinoffs). Safari on mac is the only one to pass the Acid 2 test. However, any Gecko based browser will still do a better job than Internet Explorer.
Actually, the web designer's rule of thumb is: ANYTHING will do a better job with standards compliance than Internet Explorer. Let me rephrase that, IE is the lowest common denominator.

Anyone who switches from the best browser on the planet (standards-wise, not my personal opinion) to a discontinued version of IE needs to have their head examined. Anyone who writes a blog about it needs to have their keyboad taken away.

October 16, 2006 11:17 AM

 
Anonymous Jeff Koke said...

For all those people wondering about his "File | Delete" comment in Word, I believe he is talking about the ability to do file system manipulation from within the OPEN or SAVE dialog boxes. On the PC, you can right click on any file from within the dialog box and copy, rename, delete or do many of the functions that are available in Explorer. It is a useful function that OS X is missing.

If you want this kind of functionality on the Mac, you can get it with a program called Default Folder X from St. Claire software (www.stclairsoft.com).

October 16, 2006 11:19 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that was awesome, im a huge fan, love how you created omnigroup and delicous monster

October 16, 2006 11:28 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn...serious ownage here. Nice way to make Bodine look like a 3rd grader.

So this guy is an attorney? I hope he's not a trial attorney by the way he presents his arguments.

October 16, 2006 11:29 AM

 
Anonymous Zephyr said...

He's a technology adviser? For what the land of Poop/

October 16, 2006 11:31 AM

 
Anonymous Steve Bell said...

Maybe, if that muppet had taken the time to read the article entitled "Can a Lawyer Get the Job Done With a Macintosh?" by one of his fellow lawyers on the very same site, he might have thought twice about posting such a vapid waste of text. For anyone interested...
http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/pubArticleLTN.jsp?id=1158829528257

"Larry Bodine, a member of the Law Technology News Editorial Advisory Board, is a law firm marketing consultant"... hmmm, don't think I'd want to hire him!

October 16, 2006 11:34 AM

 
Anonymous gk said...

I think you meant to use audacity instead of temerity. If you're such a good writer, you would know using a word's primary definition is better than using another word's secondary or tertiary definition.

October 16, 2006 11:40 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll buy his mac. If he uninstalls AOL and IE and Outlook first.

October 16, 2006 11:50 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

- Apple's marketing department and fans lured me in with promises of Macs being virus-free and having great service, both of which turned out to be true.
- FireWire is sexy.
- Sometimes I see the spinny cursor on my Mac.
- Microsoft Word doesn't please me on the Mac because the key shortcuts aren't short enough, and because I can't find the compatibility button on the save panel. Also, PowerPoint.
- Microsoft Outlook doesn't please me on the Mac, and I never tried the free alternatives that were bundled with the system.
- AOL(!) doesn't please me on the Mac.
- Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 from 1997 does not please me on the Mac, and I mistakenly believe Safari doesn't support Flash, nor will I use any of the many free alternatives that would work fine.
- One time, my hard drive broke and was replaced for free.


Gosh, when you say it like that, it sounds like a bad thing!

An aside: Word for Windows doesn't have a "File | Delete" option either... and I am still perplexed, because it seems like he organizes all of the files on his harddrive through the open and save dialogs of Word... I think I am going to ask this technology supervisor for advice on my next computer.

October 16, 2006 11:51 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just an FYI, Word on Windows doesn't have "File -> Delete" either. I suspect he was referring to "File -> Delete" in Windows Explorer, but then again he wrote a whole article about things he has no idea about, so...

October 16, 2006 11:54 AM

 
Blogger joe said...

Jeff Koke mentioned several posts earlier that the File | Delete was probably referring to the ability to do many Windows Explorer functions, like rename, copy, and delete, via the File | Open/Save dialoge.
Although the makes it sound as if there is a Delete option directly inside the File menu, which there most certainly is not....

October 16, 2006 11:59 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All those commenting that there is no File-Delete option in Word haven't used Windows much, I guess. Almost every Windows file-open dialog allows moving, deleting and renaming files -- not through explicit buttons or options, but just through clicking on and dragging file names in the dialog. It may not strictly conform to ideal UI design, but it's a fairly slick feature that not too many people take advantage of.

October 16, 2006 12:01 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont know who you are, but will you have my kids?

WERE NOT WORTHY! [bows]

October 16, 2006 12:05 PM

 
Blogger joe said...

^^ yes, but that is a far cry from "File | Delete".
Windows essentially has all of Windows Explorer inside the Open/Save dialouges. Mac has a severly restricted view of Open/Save, which basically just allows.... opening and saving.

You can argue both ways which one is better, but I think we can all agree that the "preferred way" to delete a file, in Windows or Mac, is not what this genius was doing, by apparently going to Open or Save, then deleting files. Almost anybody on either OS would point you towards Windows Explorer or Finder for deleting, renaming, and moving files.

October 16, 2006 12:12 PM

 
Anonymous sw0rdfish said...

It's a daily struggle to save stupid people from doing stupid things. I've only been using a Mac about 4 months and before that I hater a Mac.

I've quickly realised that there isn't much you can do in a "system wars" battle but let the the poor lost sould make mistakes and hopefully find their way home.

As long as you're using a Mac, then don't worry about the rest. You're an idiot if you base your purchase on the opinions of one person anyway.

October 16, 2006 12:13 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

screw macintosh. just overpriced intel machines running another variant of unix.

however im sure osx is nice and does make winders look shameful.

but anyway Ill stick to my winders for video games, and linux for everything else.

I wouldnt pay for osx, just like I dont pay for winders or osx

October 16, 2006 12:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont forget, its Microsoft who saves Apple.

If it werent for Billy Gates, Apple wouldnt exist now.

stop hatin, start masturbaiting

October 16, 2006 12:22 PM

 
Anonymous Dennis said...

As a lawyer-in-training, I often find myself taking advice from middle school students and the creative class on how to run my practice.

WTF?

October 16, 2006 12:32 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe said: "I think we can all agree that the 'preferred way' to delete a file ...[is] Windows Explorer or Finder for deleting, renaming, and moving files."

Why is that a preferred way? Because Apple says it is? Who are you to presume what anyone's preferred way is of doing anything? Isn't that a little arrogant?

October 16, 2006 12:33 PM

 
Anonymous uurf said...

Ew, I wouldn't by his G5. According to the accompanying photo, it's been in his trash can. You know, the one that goes by the curb that only the most fastidious of us every cleanse of yucky crust with a pressure washer.

October 16, 2006 12:38 PM

 
Blogger Bryce Leo said...

Thank you so much for writing that response. I mean really, thank you.

October 16, 2006 12:40 PM

 
Anonymous uurf said...

Joe said: "I think we can all agree that the 'preferred way' to delete a file ...[is] Windows Explorer or Finder for deleting, renaming, and moving files."

anonymous replied: "Why is that a preferred way? Because Apple says it is? Who are you to presume what anyone's preferred way is of doing anything? Isn't that a little arrogant?"

Wait - how is it arrogant to point out that if you went to Microsoft's help and looked up "how to delete or rename files", they'd tell you how to do it using Windows Explorer, not the Open/Save dialog box? Arrogant on whose behalf - Microsoft, I presume?

The ability to do that inilne in that Dialog box is because it's painful to track down files in the Windows file arrangment using Explorer, nothing else. I'd be willing to bet that more people have inadvertantly done harm (accidentally deleted or renamed a file) than good using that "feature".

It's called an "Open/Save" dialog box for a reason, people. The user intent when it's invoked is to Save work, not to delete work. Otherwise it'd be an "Open/Save/Rename/Delete" dialog box, wouldn't it?

October 16, 2006 12:46 PM

 
Anonymous Chad said...

I was really blown away that this beanpole didn't go out and buy a three-button mouse! With pretty much every Mac I've ever bought, I have gone out and purchased a three-button mouse for it. And, yes, it even scrolls and supports right-clicking! So...right-click file, Move To Trash. Ta-da! File is trashed.

And what really amazes (and confuses me) further is that this guy paid ~$4500 earlier this year for a machine that was already a generation old?

And I've said this for years, but...

NO ONE NEEDS A 2+ GHZ MACHINE TO RUN A BLOODY WORD PROCESSOR!

I have a Tandy 1000 HX with Homeword II, and that served quite well as a word processor for many years. Or what about my Mac SE 30 w/ ClarisWorks 3?

Silly, silly, silly.

October 16, 2006 12:47 PM

 
Anonymous Max Passion said...

Wow, that was awsome!

Blondie wrote a stupid flame.
Wil wrote an intelligent counter-flame.
A lot of people form an agry zippo-mob most of 'em missing the point altogether. I especially like the people writing "MAC" (all in caps). Those NEVER have any idea what Mac is all about but very strong opinions nevertheless.

You people rock! Happy Birthday to everyone (esp. Wil and the glorious "technology advisor")

October 16, 2006 1:07 PM

 
Anonymous Jenn said...

This guy is a technology advisor. WOW.

It sounds like he really doesn't know anything about computers. AOL? IE5? $125/hour? WTF?!

This guy should not even be allowed to own a computer. He needs to downgrade to a Lite-Brite for a while.

October 16, 2006 1:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A more effective way, contact his advertisers. Like HP, trough this link: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/hpads/contactus.html

Tell them what you think about their ads on his site, and tell them you're not buying another HP product until it's gone.

October 16, 2006 1:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm almost certain that when he says mac doesn't view websites correctly he means his website which he built in frontpage and was wicked sweet in his IE on PC but was a pile of sh#t in any other browser besides the one on his machine.

October 16, 2006 1:14 PM

 
Anonymous Tiiim said...

"What drove me nuts was that I would open Word for Mac and couldn't delete files while I was in Word. There is no File | Delete option. So the documents took up space on my hard drive, until someone told me I had to find the document in Finder and then move it into the trash from there. This seemed stupid to me; I just wanted to highlight a file and tap "delete."

You believe the Mac version of Word should have a delete option. Ok, this isn't the "Mac way" but I'll give you this point, too. Two so far.


He's not even making sense when talking about the Windows version of Word. If he's trying to delete a file "while I was in Word", he would get an error message:

"Cannot delete file name: The file is in use by the following program: Microsoft Office Word. You must close the file before proceeding."

If the file was not open at the time, he could choose File > Delete in Windows. On a Mac, he could simply choose File > Move to Trash. The Mac even allows for some degree of "muscle memory", not that stupid "My Menu Bar Could Be Anywhere" crap. God forbid he learn a few analogies. Delete:Move to Trash::Windows User:Moron

October 16, 2006 1:24 PM

 
Anonymous Paul Kenjora said...

Sounds like the MAC wasn't for him. The guy was talked into buying a MAC on the merits of Apple not on his job requirements. His MS Word docs needed to be compatible with Windows versions so it doesn't matter which end introduced the incompatibility. He views flashy websites so he needs a browser that supports them all, not the other way around. I wouldn't fault the guy I'd fault the people who recommended a MAC. Sounds like he was miss-informed.

October 16, 2006 1:34 PM

 
Blogger Duckalope Master said...

Actually, Steve said the Intel transition would be done by August of 2007, if I'm not mistaken.

October 16, 2006 2:00 PM

 
Blogger Si Brindley said...

My 5G iPod has reset a couple of times recently and had some odd issues. I took it to the Apple store today and described the problems. The guy checked the serial number, saw I had a few days of waranty left and replaced it on the spot, no questions asked.

Brilliant!

October 16, 2006 2:23 PM

 
Anonymous rasterbator said...

He should revise his title on his business card to read Technology Advisor for Microsoft products, since he apparently knows nothing of technology outside of his little bubble. And yes, I am sure he has a little bubble.

October 16, 2006 2:28 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wil. Though I never heard of you before today,...happy birthday.

Unfortunately, I think you illustrate every ones idea of a blind mac fanatic.

I agree that the guy that switched to mac was not very bright, informed, or savvy. But I don't think most people would get worked into such a lather over it. It's not politics after all.

I may be biased though, I always hated those paragraph by paragraph rebuttals. It's just not professional.

October 16, 2006 2:56 PM

 
Blogger Wil Shipley said...

Knoroz: I don't know who is right or wrong with their opinions, but style-wise, Larry is clearly better. Sorry.

"I didn't spend the couple of seconds it would have taken to follow the links in your article and verify the _facts_ you present, so I just chose a winner based on who sounded better."

Thanks for illustrating why George Bush runs this country.

October 16, 2006 3:02 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you're a mac fanatic and a Bush hater.

Were you going for credibility here or just preaching to your choir?

October 16, 2006 3:13 PM

 
Blogger Wil Shipley said...

gk: I think you meant to use audacity instead of temerity. If you're such a good writer, you would know using a word's primary definition is better than using another word's secondary or tertiary definition.

- I didn't say I'm a good writer, I said I'm a good programmer.

- My pal the Oxford English Dictionary gives the first definition of "audacity" as "the willingness to take bold risks" and gives the word a positive connotation. It contrasts with only definition of "temerity" in the temerity is "excessive confidence or boldness; audacity."

It goes on to note "temerity implies exposing oneself needlessly to danger while failing to estimate one's chances of success," and "audacity describes a different kind of boldness, one that disregards moral standards or social conventions."

I was saying his boldness was excessive, which is what I meant to say. You can disagree with my conclusions but not my wording.

October 16, 2006 3:27 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL atta post. Happy Birthday!

LONG story short, he could not see his porn. He probably needs that Flip4Mac installed. I gets mine!

October 16, 2006 3:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you're a mac fanatic and a Bush hater.

Were you going for credibility here or just preaching to your choir?


Well, with one post he's managed to achieve both. Here's to maximum productivity. :)

October 16, 2006 3:44 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love the picture of the woman on Larry Bodine's website... she looks like she has thousands of ants in her hair. I guess that's a feature of IE 5.5, or perhaps Paint?

October 16, 2006 4:35 PM

 
Anonymous Sverre said...

Great flame! I don't understand why some people can't appreciate a good insult...

Happy birthday!

October 16, 2006 4:43 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't say to a stupid person that HE IS STUPID, because he just can't understand...

So are the all the "microsoft addicted" people...

October 16, 2006 5:12 PM

 
Blogger Tim Stanley said...

Happy Birthday!!!

October 16, 2006 5:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry if someone already said this but hey, you think this guy might be trying to get a job working for microsoft? (i say trying because he is obviously so retarded that MS wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole). keep trying dood.

apple rules.

October 16, 2006 5:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hurray!

October 16, 2006 6:08 PM

 
Anonymous Ben Briggs said...

Oh snap! Today's my birthday too! Happy birthday! :D

October 16, 2006 6:12 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good to see all the MAC fanbois show up for the circle jerk!

October 16, 2006 6:57 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(((People like "Larry Bodine" belong with PCs)))

October 16, 2006 7:22 PM

 
Anonymous baron said...

Anonymous said:
"In other news, if you spread rotten shit on a hot dog, it doesn't taste as good."

can shit actually go rotten?


Yes. Vista comes your way January 2007.

October 16, 2006 7:56 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the owner of this blog has done is prove my saying "Ignorance is bliss, and Apple fanatics are the happiest people on earth".

I am typing this in a Mac laptop. We got two of them and we feel RIPPED OFF! For too many reasons to list here. We advise everyone now to steer well clear of Macs. There are serious problems with the platform that haven't even been discussed. The biggest problem is the way Apple despises all their users while dictating to them how they MUST work. If you like their hardware/OS for anything other than the "Pretty" and "Cool" aspects then you are screwed if you want to set up the computer to work the way you want to. The Apple app developers have their heads so far up Apples arse that they can chat to steve himself. No relief from any of the Apple developers. In fact as of today we are disgusted with ourselves that we PURCHASED Delicious Library. It is nothing than a simple database with pretty graphics from a stupid developer who doesn't care at all about making usable software, or creating original features (the iSight feature was a one hit wonder).

"No, no, no. That lets the problems go down a hole. You give that list to US. We will get so many Macnerds complaining about the issues that apple will be much more motivated to do the fixes... :-)"

This would work if it were Microsoft, or any company not permanently stuck up Apples arse. These people don't listen, and the users are actually so ignorant of other programs on other platforms that they cannot imagine in their wildest dreams something that works or looks different from what Apple produces.


"It seems to me that there is one single complaint which every switcher who hates the mac always has. Their number one - and only complaint? The Mac isn't Windows."

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Windows was not the first second or third WIMP OS I used. Windows still sucks, but Microsoft are learning from their mistakes slowly. Apple have just as many problems with their OS but they can't see what is happening while their sphincters are cutting the O2 off from their brains.

October 16, 2006 9:33 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"- I didn't say I'm a good writer, I said I'm a good programmer."

Ever heard the phrase "Self Praise is no recommendation"?

Praise from sycophants isn't much better.

October 16, 2006 9:45 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work as a computer technician and I am also Apple certified. I primarily am a PC user but I like the Mac and would definitely consider buying one. I get a lot of shit from customers who insist that Macs are stupid and PCs will always be better. When I as them why, they can't give me a logical reason. It's always, "Because they suck", or "Because it's hard to figure out", or some generic answer you could give for anything that you didn't like. I hate tomatoes because they are stupid and I can't figure them out.

October 16, 2006 9:53 PM

 
Anonymous geekdreams said...

Larry Bodine is not even human:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Bodine

October 16, 2006 11:10 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, to be fair: tomatoes are stupid. Almost as stupid as one or two strategic marketing consultants one could name.

October 16, 2006 11:16 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are serious problems with the platform that haven't even been discussed.

And at the end of your post, they still haven't been discussed. Ya know, I have been reading John Siracusa for years, and you, sir, are no John Siracusa.

In fact as of today we are disgusted with ourselves that we PURCHASED Delicious Library. It is nothing than a simple database with pretty graphics from a stupid developer who doesn't care at all about making usable software, or creating original features (the iSight feature was a one hit wonder).

Don't worry, hon. We're disgusted with you, too.

If you like their hardware/OS for anything other than the "Pretty" and "Cool" aspects then you are screwed if you want to set up the computer to work the way you want to.

i.e., as though it was running XP Retard Edition.

October 17, 2006 12:25 AM

 
Blogger Wil Shipley said...

Look, flames are fun, but if you're sorry you bought Delicious Library, you should write to our support people (support at delicious hyphen monster dot com) and we'll refund your money, no questions asked. Usually within the same business day, but sometimes we're too hungover from our huge sushi/sake party (say, possibly tomorrow) and we'll do it the next day.

The last thing I want is a dissatisfied customer.

I also encourage people to try the software before they buy it; which is part of why I have the store in the app. You play with it, decide if it has some value to you, and if you think it does, give us some money. If not, no hard feelings.

October 17, 2006 1:15 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, you anonymous mac-hater. I hate macs, too. Not because they actually give me the alternative of typing the familiar unix commands into the shell when i can't quite operate the fancy UI, because with the move to intel they made their laptops bigger, heavier and with much less battery life. Apart from that, I really, really, really like macs.

But only since i learned how to remove the blasted dock from my screen.

October 17, 2006 1:20 AM

 
Blogger Wil Shipley said...

Ever heard the phrase "Self Praise is no recommendation"?

No. Ever hear the phrase, "False modesty is, like, totally lamorz?"

I just made it up.

Anyways, I never claimed to be humble. Or good at English-using. Just a good programmer.

October 17, 2006 1:22 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice. Make Mac fans look like morons by relying on ad hominem and semantics attacks. You did us more harm than good by posting something so juvenile.

October 17, 2006 7:41 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How are the facts that Macs have two-button mice, Apple does not make Microsoft Word and you can use Mail with any POP or IMAP accounts "relying on ad hominem and semantics attacks"?

October 17, 2006 10:59 AM

 
Blogger Wil Shipley said...

Nice. Make Mac fans look like morons by relying on ad hominem and semantics attacks.

Oh, yah? Well if you love PCs so much, why don't you marry them?

Really, though, I don't claim to speak for Mac-heads. We're not a homogenous group. Here in my blog, I've said many a time that I speak for me.

It's a bizarre concept, I know.

October 17, 2006 12:48 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:

"I'm a successful switcher, but I still long for the ability to use the Delete key to delete files and to be able to use cut and paste files in the Finder."

Don't long for too long--go to your Mac and do it: Mac OS X has supported file 'cut and paste' in the Finder for quite a while now. The Finder also supports command-delete for sending files to the Trash.

October 17, 2006 1:21 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You believe the Mac version of Word should have a delete option. Ok, this isn't the "Mac way" but I'll give you this point, too. Two so far."

No point should be given. This feature doesn't exist in the PC version of Word either!

October 17, 2006 2:29 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simply brilliant response.

While I admit to being an Apple fanboy by others' standards, I am open to intelligently phrased and well-founded criticism of my favorite company. For example, "the mighty mouse is a piece of junk that can and should be immediately replaced by every end-user with a decent two-button, scrolling PC mouse." But reading his shoddy article full of assinine jumped-to conclusions had my blood boiling.

THANK YOU for writing (better than I could) exactly what I was thinking. And a very happy birthday to you indeed!

October 17, 2006 3:01 PM

 
Anonymous Stephen Colbert said...

I just have one question for you Will Shipley:

Why do you hate America?

Hope your birthday went well. I guess you better just return that new Windows Vista mouse pad I sent you! I thought you'd like it because it has that little paper clip guy to help you navigate while looking at porn! But no! You hate him! I see it now!

-SC

p.s. If you read Stephen Colbert's Alpha Squad 7: iPods and Moonbeams: A Tek Jansen Adventure, you would know that the Evil Space Frontier Bill Gates gets eaten by Hippie Super Steve Jobs in the end, but the twist is that Gates spent all that money he saved by not including anti-virus software in Windows and put it toward a time machine cloning device that allowed him to seminate his ginetic material into Steve Jobs biological parents before they gave birth.

Now, I know what you're thinking, does this mean they are they the same person? Publish my novel to find out!

p.p.s.

I really like the way Delicious Library helps me organize my movies and books. Just one feature request:

Do you remember at the old video stores (i'm sure you remember), where when you wanted to buy porn there was always that big STOP sign and a curtain that hid the porn in a back room? That would be a really nice feature to add because I make my children check out any of my DVDs from me by using Delicious Library and my daughter keeps asking me what the movie between "Little House on the Prairie" and "The Little Mermaid" are. I keep telling her that "Little Korean Mommas: Boob Brigade 6" is a documentary about kim jong-il's mother, but I don't think she believes me. (Incidentally: Have you seen Little Korean Mommas: Boob Brigade Criterion Edition? Simply masterful). Anyways, get on that feature.

October 17, 2006 3:39 PM

 
Anonymous Matthew Ziegele said...

Wil

This line had me almost killed me " In other news, if you spread rotten shit on a hot dog, it doesn't taste as good."

Keep fighting thegood fight!

October 17, 2006 6:27 PM

 
Anonymous Devilz said...

You sir have just hooked yourself a new reader. Brilliantly written and the rotten shit on a hot dog left me in tears. I simply can not wait to see where this soap opera goes next!

Thanks Fishman you made my day!

October 17, 2006 6:59 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone know how many buttons the Mac WIRELESS mouse has?

October 17, 2006 8:36 PM

 
Anonymous Ben said...

[Knoroz]
... a very very poor review of an article. Going to debate 'opinions' paragraph by paragraph is certainly not the best way to do it.

[Anonymous]
I may be biased though, I always hated those paragraph by paragraph rebuttals. It's just not professional.


Wil, some people didn't appreciate the style of your review. Although I enjoyed reading it, perhaps your arguments could be better presented as a numbered list. This would help to quantify the errors in Larry Bodine's article.

Larry's article contains a link to Can a Lawyer Get the Job Done With a Macintosh? by Ed Siebel. Maybe Law.com was using Larry's article to play devil's advocate?

October 18, 2006 3:01 AM

 
Blogger Dr Fence said...

Great article, very well written ... I also enjoyed reading your bio about passion and vision.

Happy Birthday!

October 18, 2006 6:58 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...

There's no File > Delete in the Windows Version of Word either. Oh no.

I'll admit, some sites I can't view correctly with Safari, but Firefox handles those rare instances just fine.

October 18, 2006 10:32 AM

 
Anonymous Doug said...

Thankfully not all legal technology "experts" are short-sided "Bodine's."

Like the article Bodine cited by Ed Siebel, here's another article - Should Lawyers Use Macs - by two authors who were apparently smart enough to figure out how to use the big hard Mac.

October 19, 2006 3:07 AM

 
Anonymous Geminai said...

This would make a wonderful present for any Mac user. :D

You just made my day. And I am very disappointed with the man who wrote the original article. Seems like they'll hire any idiot huh?

October 19, 2006 8:54 AM

 
Blogger www.totsyssoft.com said...

Safari may be "standards compliant", but curiously, in such matters as these, it is those who command the market that define the standard.

Apple only supports open standards when there is absolutely no way to make it proprietary. Their track record is lengthy. Think iPod DRM for instance. SUN is the only company that actively promotes open standards as part of their corporate culture. Both Microsoft and Apple are guilty of the exact same "crimes".

The only reason that MPEG-4 came to be part of Apple is because Microsoft was aquiring companies in the web video space and out of fear, Apple got behind MPEG-4. They were rather pursuing their QuickTime (read proprietary) codecs/architecture. They were absent in any real support of earlier MPEG standards.

Currently, as we speak, Apple is migrating OSX away from mach (euphemism: distancing) and into a proprietary flavor of unix, despite the fact that unix history is demonstrating that unix (the meme) rewards those who keep alive the/it's primary value of having the source to the OS core available for read/write/improve.

October 19, 2006 1:00 PM

 
Anonymous Mandy said...

Very funny.

BTW as a lawyer, I have read a few of Larry's posts before. He's all about the marketing. It was clear from the first paragraph that this was for publicity.

And he's already posted a retort to some of this on his blog. He's sooo enjoying this.

October 20, 2006 1:59 PM

 
Blogger www.totsyssoft.com said...

Some time in the future, the Macintosh enthusiasts community will "grow up" and realize:

1. The lawyer's article might be a bona-fide description of "somebody else's experience".
2. It provides a rare opportunity outside of the sphere of self-congratulatory back-slapping to evaluate "how good a job are we (Macintosh-oriented software engineers) are doing".
3. Maybe, with 10+ years on NeXT under one's belt, does not make one the best judge of the accuracy of a "new user's experience".
4. That, the lawyer's article is not personal, and by making your response personal and emotional you devalue the credibility of the platform.
5. If you haven't seen a spinning beachball, frequent crashes, a page that Safari doesn't load, etc. then please tell me where I can buy one of those, because the OSX machines I run all exhibit those behaviors, as described in the article. Yet, I prefer the Mac anyway and take all such criticisms as a chance to learn and improve.

October 20, 2006 2:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There is no File|Delete option in Word (?!) Why would there be? What applications allow you to delete an open file from within the application? And why would you want to?"

Something tells me that this feature would be very appropriate for this "technology consultant". Particularly in Word. Then he could use it right after finishing his next column.

October 21, 2006 3:25 AM

 

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